A thank you to the US from Germany - and a reminder of what decent conservatism used to look like
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in these days and nights now it is 30 years ago that the inner German boaeder was torn down. Me myself celebrated new years eve 1989/90 in Berlin, climbing over the wall with thousand others literally overrumming the still existing boarder controls.

It is widely undisputed that the German reunification havent been possible without President George Bush and his friendship to Helmuth Kohl. The US backed all up versus european opponents that feared a Germany that regained power.

Now thirty years later Germany proofed it is one of the most stabile and reliable partners in the EU and other supra national aliances and nearly always amongst the top ten worldwide considering important rankings like human rights, rule of law, freedom of press and media.

We owe the former republican President Bush a lot. A majority here was sad indeed when he died.

Bush was a republican as they used to be. Take advice from a friend that owes you. Seriously- could you imagine him paying money to a prostitute to shut up? No way. Or could you imagine him behaving in that ridiculous way? Never.
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Republicans and Democrats in the US have completely changed in the last 30 years. Right now the current democrat presidential nominees want open borders and free health care for all. On paper it sounds good but all of that comes at a great cost.

Open borders we already have huge problems with migrants that are not vetted just like Germany. There was a time there was an influx of 100k migrants crossing just the Texas/Mexico border bringing anything from rapists, murderers, and extinct diseases to our country. Not only could we not track these people but if they are coming from El Salvador it's not like they have record-keeping they are willing to share with us to help us vet these migrants. Somehow because of Europe's lax attitude towards open boarders everyone thinks America should be the same. I read last week Sweden now had 100 bombings/explosions last year. Somehow these migrants keep bringing their archaic idealogies and their war relics with them and Sweden now has zones that trucks don't deliver and people avoid. So no most Americans do not want open borders or a chance to make our social services and security for actual citizens worse. Trump is doing his best to see that we don't see the same problems as Sweden or Germany.
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@RonaldMcFondles Let me be the first to applaud you for your civility and clarity of thought. You have voiced your opinion and reasonably substantiated it. However, if I may, you have based your reasoning on certain assumptions that may not be entirely accurate. Allow me to elaborate:

On the issue of the border and immigration control. You suggest that Europe's lax attitude towards immigration raises expectations of similar treatment from the US. That simply isnt so. The lax attitude, as you describe it, is actually prescribed by law and specifically the European Convention of Human Rights (ECHR), which is part of the EU Treaty and as such extremely difficult to circumvent. The ECHR was certainly not drafted with mass influx of immigrants and refugees in mind. As such the current situation in Europe requires amendment of the ECHR which can only happen in two ways. You either go for a Treaty Amendment, a very laborious and time-consuming process which entails significant political maneuverability; or you go through the Judicial Process through the interpretations of the European Court of Human Rights and the European Court of Justice. The latter is the preferable solution as it lacks political interference but requires significantly more time.
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@RonaldMcFondles In regards to NATO and allies. You suggest that “Obama kissed the ass and rings of traiterous country's who don't benefit our country or are trying to destroy us. Trump is a businessman, if you are not bringing something to the table you are out”. This is an erroneous assumption that is not in line with historical and political context. The US has been applying foreign policy of intervention since the early 20th century. Such a policy was driven from the need to secure the most preferential trade terms and expand its sphere of political and cultural influence. Up until the end of the WWII, this policy of intervention was limited largely to trade. From the emergence of the USSR as a superpower and the creation of bipolarity in the distribution of power, a race commenced in which both superpowers fought for influence on economic, military and cultural domains in international and regional geographic terms. As such, the alliances formed during that time currently represent the current sphere of influence of the US. If you withdraw from such alliances, the US influence and national defence will be severely diminished. NATO is useless to the EU from a military perspective. Stability in the region has been achieved through increased political and economic cooperation and integration through organisations such as the UN, EU, G20 and WTO. If NATO is disbanded, all this would achieve would be the renewed incentive to push forward the previously failed EU Constitution and the creation of the EU Army. There is no benefit to the US for this. Quite the contrary, as the US loses the military bases in the EU and the foothold it needs to maintain its influence in Africa and the Middle East. This will also have the unavoidable effect of impacting trade routes and trading partners which also need protecting. Discarding alliances through an isolationist foreign policy model, requires additional military spending to counteract the lack of protection of US trade interests. And you cant just sail the 6th fleet into territorial waters without permission as this amounts to an invasion by the Law of War.
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@RonaldMcFondles I would like to explicitly thank you for sharing opinion in this substantiated and clearly expressed way. ( I agree here 100 % with Mandales comment above.)
I have to admit i sometimes drifted into sarcasm and style of many Trump supporters, but this way it is a pleasure!
(I willcomment some more later, but felt like saying this urgently)
greetings from germany

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@Adrian88 We had an adult constructive conversation! Thats a win for this site! smiley smiley smiley

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BTW, forgot to agree that the Bush dynasty and the origins of their wealth is notoriously suspicious as they have been connected to the Saudi Royal family in their most profitable investments.

And indeed, Angela Merkel is certainly not the most popular politician in Europe. Me being Greek can vouch for that last part smiley smiley

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@Mandale The Bush's are put of the Carylyle Group which is a investing firm. Other members include Saudi Elite and The Bin Ladens.

I've actually met George W Bush on numerous occasions when he was governor of Texas and went to school with his daughters. Fun fact to toss in there. Despite coming off like a buffoon he smart but a politician through and through.

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@RonaldMcFondles smiley Bravo. The Carlyle Group. I remember reading that the Bush senior was using his daily intelligence briefing, a right of every single past president, as a form of advance warning for the Carlyle Group. If memory serves me right, I think he also was the only former president that did not waive that right of daily intelligence briefings. I suppose being former head of the CIA could give him a certain amount of extenuating justifiably in this regard. But still. At the core of it, it is still insider trading, just at the untouchable level.

BTW, I never got the buffoon impression from George W. In all honesty, it looked as if George Senior and Cheney were suffocating him by acting as his advisers. In the end it looked as if he simply gave up and surrendered to their will.

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