Fight Club

Posted by: JudgeDredd
Ever since we started enforcing the rules, we have had a series of complaints regarding the very purpose of such rules. Many of you have consistently expressed your discontent while others attempted to incite entire revolutions based on it. Out of all the repeated instances of ToS violations, only a handful of individuals have attempted to explain to us the reasoning behind this repetitive and almost consistent trend to purposefully express blatant disrespect for your fellow men.

The winning argument consists that this online platform is an escape from reality. An escape from the countless rules and societal norms you all have to abide in the real world. And by replicating and transposing the rules of the real word into the virtual world, we deprive you from the escape you so desperately need.

To rectify this, we are toying with the idea of creating a rule free/moderation free community, where you can behave in any manner you deem appropriate towards your perceived opponents. Naturally, we do not want this to get out of hand and attract real world legal problems. For that reason we need your input and ideas on how to achieve this.

From our side, we are leaning towards the creation of a Fight Club. A place where the matches will be organised more or less, with defined teams and opponents and events that will be time limited. The winner will always be the last man/team standing. For security reasons, all of you would have to express explicit consent in receiving such verbal abuse from your fellow opponents. We are also considering a mandatory purge of all the material used after each fight. After all, if it is entertainment you seek, no evidence should be needed. It goes without saying that the rest of the communities will remain under strict Moderation.

Please express your thoughts and ideas in the comment box below.

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expert
Well I won't be participating. But it's sure to be entertaining reading. smiley Good outlet for those wishing to grind their axes for sure though. There will probably be many virtual murders there no doubt.

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@𝓜𝓸𝓾𝓼𝓮*🐭 Thats the whole point. Virtual Murder She Wrote smiley

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top expert
And we are still at the point where there is no neutral moderation or judging of who is correct. Not debating with idiots is what blocking is all about. Talking to a brick wall is about as useless as trying to convince a rock to roll on its own. It has no brain and only follows the force that holds the rope.

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@oldshuntr You are assuming that I will be moderating or that I will be the referee. You are wrong on both counts.

This whole idea is about a dedicated ToS Free area.

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@JudgeDredd First off, DO NOT ASSUME ANYTHING! Second, to have ANY chance, it should be instituted by Dr. Evil and not someone who is unliked by most. Maybe your thinking is good, but your reputation precedes you. Most will not play. Some by fear, others just won't want to be involved.

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@oldshuntr Thats fine with me. I gave you all a chance to participate in a community where I explicitly stated that I will not be participating. Play, dont play, I dont care because I wont be there in the first place.

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guru
Fools only piss you off as much as you allow.
Blessed be the block feature. smiley

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@Bread&Circuses Good point. We have to disable the blocking function in there

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member
WoW genious idea! A Social Sandbox. WOWWWWWW. I like the Mouse will watch in the beggining. I am scared!.

Sandboxes in programming, modeling and a few points.

-Always there is descret supervisor

-Totaly isolated (perhaps this in this case would mean particiapnts of normal chats
and groups should not be able to see what happened, unless they do engaged into this.
-The use of sandbox will not in any reason affect teh use of the rest of the chat. This could be something like : Should not be allowed arguing about the sandbox in the normal chat and everything outside the sandbox will be blocked under admins supervizion.

- Everything before and after the use of the sandbox will remain as it was. Ideas needed here.....This for sure is almost impossible for the feelings of the participants I estimate.

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@Nasos You raise some really good points there. Although I am certain that the idea of a supervisor will not excite anyone, we do need a referee or two. Someone has to proclaim the victor after all.

Although there is no determination yet as to how this will be implemented, a real time chatbox certainly sounds interesting and far more immediate than posts and counterposts. Whatever the format, it will be isolated from the rest of the communities and the principle of "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" will apply. No spillover effect will be tolerated.

As for the feelings of the participants, well if they want to express them safely, the only way would be through the sandbox again and again.

Very good input smiley

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@JudgeDredd I was thinking of a supervisor like virtual environments in technical use. This means the supervisor will be from the side of the normal chat watching in distance. I made a grammatical error and i confused you. I meant "discreet". This probably would be in this case like an Admin only watching for the technical functionality of the chat. Like someone to take care if the boxing hall fall apart as construction. I liked the idea, i find it brilliant and i still do but i don't see others to feel the same :-(

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@Nasos I see your point. I am not aware of the technical requirements of the project and as such I cannot give you any reply that would make any sense.

As for whether it will be implemented or not, I personally dont care. All this time, the usual suspects were calling for the abolition of the rules. If they prefer to look a gift horse in the mouth than seize the opportunity given to them, thats on them. Their argument about moderation dies with this thread.

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@Nasos I just came up with an idea. Usrs must have different nicknames from the ones used here. Perhaps if its better not to know anyone participating in this and he could select the teams and the fight clubs he wants. If we know eachother and punch eachother this would affect 100% the normal chat

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@Nasos Good point indeed. Fight incognito smiley

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@Nasos And i know realized i cannot do this because my english suck and all people know i am the one ahahahahaha

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@Nasos time to use autocorrect then? smiley

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member
Can't call it Fight Club.

Even Fight Club had rules, the first and second of of which has already been broken here in this thread...

1st RULE: You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB.
2nd RULE: You DO NOT talk about FIGHT CLUB.
3rd RULE: If someone says "stop" or goes limp, taps out the fight is over.
4th RULE: Only two guys to a fight.
5th RULE: One fight at a time.
6th RULE: No shirts, no shoes.
7th RULE: Fights will go on as long as they have to.
8th RULE: If this is your first night at FIGHT CLUB, you HAVE to fight.

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@Lurkio If the Fight Club hasnt been created yet and this thread call for the establishment of the rules pertaining to it, how can we break the rules that dont exist in the first place? smiley

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@JudgeDredd The rules for Fight Club never change, no matter the location. smiley

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@Lurkio Sure, but in the original Fight Club the participants weren't exactly content in limiting their interaction to a swear-word competition.

Plus the 6th rule on no shoes and no shirts seems kinda redundant in our case (although no judgement is made....if one wants to fight in their underwear, just dont tell me about it...dont want to visualize this smiley )

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contributor
Cuppla thoughts here:
1. the idea of defined teams and a time limit seems like someone is gonna pose a topic, then pick teams and lastly determine when the topic is finished ... too structured and limited in overall scope with some arbiter still deciding the outcome/winner. This means there's still an overarching control mechanism at play as this still requires moderation of at least the makeup of the "teams" and then deciding the "victor".

I remember when in two-movies this site was discussed as a separate place to allow the socio-political arguments to take place away from the usual two-movies crew and the talk was that it would allow freewheeling debate. What we have now is NOT that, nor is the posed set of rules you mentioned gonna be that either.

I said when we discussed the idea behind this site that it should require the participants to accept any and everything that came their way if they chose to enter the fray in a completely unmoderated format.
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@mrkim56 I hear you but turning the entire site into a fighting pit isnt what the Doc wants. He wants the site to grow and at the same time he also wants to give you guys an avenue to blow some steam.

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@JudgeDredd Never said anything about the whole site other than mentioning that the impetus for THIS site was originally to take the socio-political arguments somewhere besides two-movies forum.

What I'd recommend is a single forum here under what ever heading you choose to call it.

Had some other thoughts too so here goes.

All unmoderated debate would be allowed in THAT area alone and dragging it outside of that heading and into any other topic would be verbotten, as in 1st time - 1 day ban, 2nd time - 1 week ban, 3rd time, site ban for life!

Dunno if it's workable or not but can the posts here be sorted by "Recent Comments" as opposed to just "Commented"?

This way you wouldn't hafta filter through every "Commented" thread to find what's been said most recently.

To Mousies fears, mentions of members outside of those actually participating in a discussion should be considered a foul and carry the same penalties as mentioned above.
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@mrkim56 smiley smiley smiley smiley smiley Well Done !!!!!!

Now we are on to something. smiley smiley

Thank you. If you have any other suggestions, please do share them.

On the recent comments, are you referring to the fight forum or just a general proposal for the site?

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@JudgeDredd I'd like to see the Recent Comments filtering available for all threads here actually.

Another thought: I personally feel that blocking other members is not for me, though I recognize others feel differently.

Could all blocking be removed within the fight threads while leaving it intact on the rest of the site?

Seems counterproductive to block other members within the setting of a no-holds-barred debate realm.

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@mrkim56 The blocking being removed is something that B&C mentioned as well. I dont know of the technical aspect but I am sure we can find a solution there.

As for the recent comments, I will replay your message to the Doc.

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expert
If this community does happen, will the participants be able to bad mouth people not in the community? That is a downside of this idea. I have a couple of fans who'd love the opportunity to "slice and dice" me.

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@𝓜𝓸𝓾𝓼𝓮*🐭 I dunno what's transpired here previously between yourself and other members but I've always enjoyed and appreciated our communiques here.

I know we don't personally see eye to eye politically but that's never been a problem between us, at least not from this end of the screen.

Having given your worries about having members comment on others who are not participants within the "fight" threads such a forum heading would encompass I would place one caveat on the idea I posted previously of bans for doing so.

Once a member agrees to the terms of the "fight" forum heading and chooses to enter the fray, even once, there's no back pedaling allowed.

With this I mean once any member chooses to be a participant of the "fight" threads they can be mentioned there in perpetuity as such mentions could be relevant to another discussion being had.
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@mrkim56 Hey thank you so much for your considerate post. What transpired is sad actually in regards to a couple of people who decided to wage war for really stupid reasons.

There was a Mod here a long while ago, and I thought she was a decent person and I actually had empathy for her. Now I realize how wrong I was.

(Sometimes I'm not a very good judge of character) apparently.

But I'm done with people who are wanting to destroy this site. It does have some very good redeeming qualities.

And I want to add I've never had a problem with your political standing ever.... I don't give a damn about all that.

All I know is this world is in a very sad state right now, and I hope we can all pull through regardless of the disagreements that people have here.

And yeah, if you ever get around to visit the "Big Six" (Toronto) I'd love to have a few laughs and put back a few pints.
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@𝓜𝓸𝓾𝓼𝓮*🐭 That remains to be seen. This is what we are trying to find out. The what and the how. I would think that the engagements would concern the actual opponents. Otherwise whats the point?

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@JudgeDredd Really? To have to be sh*t upon just because people want to throw daggers at other's not involved in the community doesn't sound right at all to me.... Maybe I'm misunderstanding your comment, if so I apologize.

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@𝓜𝓸𝓾𝓼𝓮*🐭 You are misunderstanding my comment. I just agreed that throwing sh*t at non participants is pointless for the purposes of this endeavor. Whats the point in challenging someone who will not reply with an equally imaginative comeback?

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@JudgeDredd The people I speak of honestly have no common sense, so I'm thinking they'd need to be educated on who they can publicly crucify.

I understand what you're saying though.

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@𝓜𝓸𝓾𝓼𝓮*🐭 Well, I hope you do understand that in the top 10 list of people they would want to crucify, I hold the No 1 position. smiley

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@JudgeDredd Yep, and I'd be on that top 10 list as well I'm afraid... smiley

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@𝓜𝓸𝓾𝓼𝓮*🐭 Yeah but you are not willing to dust up your mittens. I on the other hand find the concept appealing. No rules and room to practice all that I have learned in this site alone? Pfff...sign me up smiley

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@JudgeDredd Naw, life is stressful enough without dealing with the very few nasties on this site.

I know you're good at this stuff, but me I'm a wimp smiley

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@JudgeDredd like thugs at a dog fight.

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master
insights violence, just what Dr.Evil is trying to stop on this site..

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@1FRAC1 "insights violence" smiley smiley smiley

insight
noun [ C or U ]
UK /ˈɪn.saɪt/ US /ˈɪn.saɪt/

C1
(the ability to have) a clear, deep, and sometimes sudden understanding of a complicated problem or situation

dictionary.cambridge.org/diction...

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master
Who thought this up? NOW who are acting like animals....

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@1FRAC1 Ah yes....I forgot, you are the beacon of civility in here. Please forgive us for our transgressions

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@JudgeDredd are you speaking as a mod, or as an ordinary member here.
You can't have it both ways.

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@1FRAC1 I would have thought this was obvious provided its my thread and its concerned with discussing a plan of the administration.

But you got me curious now. Speak freely. There will be no repercussions. You have my word.

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