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Bond star says he dislikes the aggression of hetero spaces, and gay bars were a good place to meet women

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Actually, they aren't bad for just that. He's right.
Some friends and I, a long time back, were out at a bar. The place was packed, a-holes to elbows. A couple of people had already been thrown out by bouncers for starting fights. We wanted to play pool, but there was an epic line for the two tables in the place. And I get this bright idea. There's a gay bar right across the street. There's a pool table. There was also music. And, to top it off, the two times I'd been in there with my gay friend, even when it had been crowded on one of those occasions, I recalled that no one had been using that table.
Surprisingly, the guys didn't seem to have a problem with it. So off we went.
We played a few rounds of pool, no one bothered us, unless we talked to them directly. There wasn't a single fight.
After that, we started going there on and off. One of the regular patrons explained to us the policy about trouble at the bar. After a while, we'd seen people come through there trying to start something, but no one ever took them up on it, or allowed things to get out of hand. The policy there was if someone came in and tried to start trouble (Which in there was usually just insecure hetero men, trying to prove something to themselves) they just ignored them, even if they insulted them directly. The idea was to not let people disrupt their space with negativity and/or violence. They'd merely be asked to leave if they kept it up, or a bouncer would actually become involved if they tried to hurt someone, but it just never happened that way. Being ignored by everyone just seemed to drive them off 99% of the time.
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@🥇LiviaD34D💀 I once , by accident joined such a bar. I was in a new city, a big one and wanted a drink early in the evening. I selected that bar because of the nic music I remember. When the regulars started to join, dressed in these leather clothes and I don't really know how they call this fashion with leather clothes also revealing a lot of chest and body I already had 2 drinks. Noone mentioned anything to me. The bartender never asked or said anything. The only strange was the looks of men that were fishing outside , around the bar. But noone dared to follow or start talking to me because I probably wasn't looking the way these ppl exchange looks.

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@Nasos Sounds like that particular one had a certain theme, or many there had a particular fetish. All places of any kind are going to be different. But a great many aren't anything like that. Your situation reminds me of something out of the Police Academy series of movies. In the ones I've personally been in, aside from a couple of goth people I saw once, in appearance things were pretty much the same as any other bar. You just might see a man dancing with a man or a woman with a woman, etc.

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@🥇LiviaD34D💀 The truth is that the bar had a harley bike as exhibit, low lights and the music was Rock and Blues. It was a rich in decor Bar. I think therefore there was a theme. I may have overlooked it because back then many bars had this kind of music. I think it may also have been inovative for Greece an open Bar for everyone that had Gay clientele back then. After i told my story friends laughed at me and told me that everyone knew abt this Bar in the city. Everyone but me hahahha. I think it was around 1989 this story of mine

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@Nasos Well, at least it sounds like you handled it well. Must have been a surprise.

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@🥇LiviaD34D💀 Never had troubles with Gay ppl in my life as i mentioned. But my life has been not in megacities of the West to have met many. Some of the gay men i met were more men than other men i had deals with and more accurate. Parades and other things I see in the news are strange to me

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@Nasos Parades and protests may seem strange to some, but I do believe they serve a purpose. As recently as the 80s in the U.S. gay people were still being institutionalized and lobotomized. As well as kidnapped by reprogrammers or sent away to camps for what is called conversion therapy. What is frightening is that this conversion therapy still has a large following and is still legal in many places. Some parents still send their kids away for it, and there are many on the right who wouldn't mind making it an official thing, as well as going back to the institutionalizing. Rights are also still called into question regularly, and violence against LGBTQ+ people are still rising. It's usually not followed up on as well as it should be or even seen as hate crime by some law enforcement either. But, as women did marches to fight for their rights and protests and rallies, and black people did the same, among others in the past, LGBTQ+ people are fighting to just be who they are without having to worry about their lives, and have their rights taken away, to be able to work the same jobs as hetero people, etc. ...
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@🥇LiviaD34D💀 The teacher i been telling in the previous posts, was when my sister was in high school back in the early 80's. Only after 2000 i had a gay director. Back in the 80's and early 90's was also the most gay i met as artists - musicians and singers and we were playing together sometimes or socialize. My chin droped down hearing that in the 80's gay ppl been lobotomized. For what country u talking about? I have lived in Eastern Europe communistic countries - there they been rough plenty with them but never heard been lobotomized. Are u talking about Asia? Turkey? Africa?

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@Nasos United States. Look it up. Up until the late 80s it was still happening. Scary stuff.

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@Nasos Ops sorry, my english... US? Is it true???? Sounds like the 50's and early 60's of Europe. After the psychiatry reforms of the 60's in
Europe the worse thing ever survived up to middle of 80's was the electroshok therapy which sooner or later in the 90's in Europe was abandoned too. In the official institutions at least I think. About the Eastern Europe and the electroshok therapy can;t really tell they were following some russian systems and of their own that i dont really know anything about it. Can't get an oath for these countries. I am talking about The previous EU European countries

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@Nasos Update: Apparently, electro-shock or ECT (ElectroConvulsive Therapy) is still used for some things. Though, it's considered safer today. Because they do it under anesthesia and lower, controlled, voltages.
Still seems pretty messed up, though.
Also, in very rare instances, lobotomies are still performed.
There were different types of lobotomies, but I think the one that was most popular involved shoving what was essentially an ice pick in through the eye socket, through the bone and then scrambling the brain matter in that front area. If I remember correctly, this is thought to be the way the serial killer/cannibal Jeffery Dahmer created zombies from victims which he used as sex toys and to keep him company.

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@Nasos Electro shock was still going on in the U.S. as well, probably into the 90s. For various things. I'd have to do some research to know for certain if it's been entirely phased out, but I think it has. The things they used to do in those places was barbaric. But going back even further in history, you find even worse.

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@🥇LiviaD34D💀 Back in 97, when I was studying in the Netherlands, the hippest club to go to was Club IT. It was a gay club but the expensive kind. In it you would find the most beautiful women you could possibly imagine. World famous top models, actors and actresses, basically the creme de la creme. Turns out the club was so popular with women exactly because it was a gay club and the women within felt safe from harassment. The interesting thing is that you wouldnt see heavily inebriated people there and because of this, you wouldnt see any fights whatsoever. People were there to have fun and they did. Loads of it. We were approached by gay men obviously but once you get past your insecurities, you got to realize that they were just as human as the rest of us. And when flirting is off the table, partying with gay men is actually a laugh riot. Especially when it comes to discussions about how to approach women. ...
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@M3g4M1nd lol. Well, there are plenty of people on both sides of the table who just think they know everything, but would be horrible wing men. And women can be just as bad. My advice is listening to a friend's advice (to be polite) and then going with your gut. Well, unless you have really poor judgment. smiley

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@🥇LiviaD34D💀 But that's the thing. He was the perfect wingman. Too perfect to be exact, to the point that I was massively inferior to his presentation techniques. I am telling you, it was a laugh riot in the best sense possible. That guy could literally sell fridges to the eskimoes and sand to the bedouins smiley smiley

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Maybe he goes there to find 'apenis. smiley smiley

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Is that the story he's sticking with ?

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@ᚘ𝕺ƸᚰĦҜïᑻ⭍🌑 lol
That's... quite an advertisement. smiley

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ahahhhhahhha he's so cute, knew there was somethin abt him. First time i was trying to gather my droped down chin was after i learned abt Rock Hudson, a few decades before, after this no handsome hollywood star can make my chin drop down. In fact the more handsome they are the more possible I consider learning things abt them lol

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@Nasos Rock Hudson never had many friends, but he had Nabors up the butt.

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Um I guess, I hung out at a gar bar for a minute in Portland, it was just next to a Sushi spot that always hired punx So a grip of our homies worked their and we would wait at the gay bar and drink waiting for them to get off.(Hahaha shut up) But yeah on the real if your not gay at a gay bar sh*t can be problematic sometimes. I mean if your comfortable first off is the main thing but just be careful about getting people upset because you are essentially about to turn down and cruch every and anyone who likes you, and bars are for picking up & hooking up no? So...? Lol but ya really everyone was cool just two rules my friends always told me...don't get wasted AF & walk into the bathroom alone...Yikes! & #[email protected] whilstNotGay Rule : DO NOT EXCEPT DRINKS If You Don't Wanna get with the Bear or Twink (that is offering you the brew) I mean it is reasonable to accept one drink but don't push it...Just remember how you felt when you bought the hottie a few rounds and she looked at you and laughed when you asked for her number or leaned in, sucked huh? Dethkids_5178_33813-101444

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@ᚘ𝕺ƸᚰĦҜïᑻ⭍🌑 Good advice on that last part. For women, it's good advice anywhere. At any bar you want to watch out taking drinks, especially if you didn't see it poured yourself or see the bartender or yourself open the bottle if it's beer. Also, don't let drinks out of your site. They do make nail polish now that changes color if there are drugs in a drink, but not all guys wear nail polish. lol
But, not accepting drinks in general, that's good advice, as you said, if you aren't planning on going home with the person.

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